tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-175683123157187948.post7449288664222297868..comments2023-06-08T09:45:52.581-04:00Comments on We The People: Middle of the Road is for Roadkill.Daniel Shorthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02687888014105537259noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-175683123157187948.post-5405041211430993132011-06-04T17:50:10.259-04:002011-06-04T17:50:10.259-04:00It's interesting. I pretty much think that in...It's interesting. I pretty much think that in a two candidate race a tuna salad sandwich will get 40% of the vote. This generally means that the battle is over 20% of the people. In that grouping there are two factors. <br /><br />The first factor is that no one wants to give up what they have. People are not interested in giving up Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, etc. It's a hard sell to get people to give these things up.<br /><br />The second factor is that no one really wants to pay for these items. Raising taxes is not popular and no one really wants to give up more of their income. I have this idea that people want Democratic services at Republican prices.<br /><br />My thought is that people are going to have to give something up or pay more. Either is a difficult sell and both parties are perfectly willing to allow the other party to walk off the plank.John Manzohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12423889020601584412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-175683123157187948.post-69039242660730091822011-06-03T21:45:44.231-04:002011-06-03T21:45:44.231-04:00Understood John. Good conversation. Thanks for t...Understood John. Good conversation. Thanks for the input.Daniel Shorthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02687888014105537259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-175683123157187948.post-75840480045608174002011-06-03T15:28:10.038-04:002011-06-03T15:28:10.038-04:00Daniel, no, I didn't call you a fool. My refe...Daniel, no, I didn't call you a fool. My reference was to the person who originally came up with the line calling moderates roadkill. It wasn't meant for you in the least. I do not believe you are a fool in the least.John Manzohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12423889020601584412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-175683123157187948.post-68126178804473923342011-06-03T13:00:45.068-04:002011-06-03T13:00:45.068-04:00John, good to hear from you. My assertion to get ...John, good to hear from you. My assertion to get left or get right was not pointed to you, or any other voter. I was speaking directly to candidates and to how I feel they need to approach the race. Obama is vulnerable and a true conservative can win. He/she cannot win by taking their half out of the middle.<br /><br />As for Bachmann, I agree with a few of your points. To me, she is this cycle's Palin. She is a bulldog that will say the things others don't want to and force them to talk about those issues. Do I really think she has a shot to win? No way.<br /><br />Lastly, thanks for the compliment at the end. I always speak my mind and am true to my beliefs. But, did you backhand it by calling me a fool just before that when comparing me to Aquinos?Daniel Shorthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02687888014105537259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-175683123157187948.post-6204995327767601222011-06-02T22:00:37.172-04:002011-06-02T22:00:37.172-04:00Oh, and I do want to add one thing. I greatly res...Oh, and I do want to add one thing. I greatly respect and admire your courage to write your thoughts and feelings. In a day and age when so many people hide their opinions, you are honest and upfront---very noble qualities.John Manzohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12423889020601584412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-175683123157187948.post-35593418991914857782011-06-02T21:15:45.747-04:002011-06-02T21:15:45.747-04:00First off, I agree with you that President Obama i...First off, I agree with you that President Obama is vulnerable. I think Romney would have an excellent chance of defeating him, but I also think Romney will have a bigger problem getting the nomination for the reasons you state. Your commentary on Paul and Gingrich is right on as well.<br /><br />Two areas I disagree with you.<br /><br />First about Michele Bachmann. Her main problem is the press only the point that the woman is a liar. She is probably the least honest politician on the circuit right now and that is saying a lot. The problem she has with the press is they keep pointing this out. She makes things up and stands by what she says even when it’s been proven wrong. Even commentators on Fox News which would normally be friendly territory for folks with conservative credentials have challenged her on bogus comments. I am not sure how people who call themselves cultural conservatives can stomach a person who has dropped the 9th Commandment from her Bible, but it would seem to indicate that for many, ideology trumps truth. It strikes me that a man from the same state as her, Tim Pawlenty, who has many of the same viewpoints as her, but is also noted as being a person who actually has integrity and is honest, is overlooked. He may not be exciting, but I always prefer integrity over flash. But, frankly, stating her problem is the press is a bit disingenuous. I’ve known you long enough as a blogger that I know that you, personally, are a person of integrity and honesty and would suspect that it would be difficult for you to embrace a blatantly dishonest person.<br /><br />Secondly about moderation. I consider myself a moderate. People often confuse me as being more to the left than I really am. I’m often considered ‘left’ because I love a diversity of views and thoughts, but personally, I’m actually very moderate. I really get offended when people who are not moderates attempt to define what moderates are or how they see the world.<br /><br />Ideology is, from my understanding, based on the premise of ideas. Generally an ideology is a string or pattern of ideas that get defined as either liberal or conservative.<br /><br />Moderation is generally based on pragmatism. Moderation tends to view each idea on the merit of its argument and the facts and situation behind it. In Medieval philosophy, Thomas Aquinas determined that in searching for the truth one does not begin with a premise and build upon it, but look at EVERYTHING and determine the virtues and vices of each thing. Considering that Aquinas is to theological and philosophical thought what Einstein would be to mathematics, that’s a pretty good premise.<br /><br />But more to the point. Someone said, "Get right or get left. The middle of the road is for roadkill." I don’t feel like roadkill. Aquinas certainly wasn’t roadkill.<br /><br />From 350 BC there is a document called Nicomachean Ethics, the notes of one of Aristotle’s students. Aristotle was a student of Socrates student, Plato, and was the private instructor of Alexander the Great. Aristotle was one of the giants of western thought and Nicomachean Ethics is, along with the Bible, one of the foundational documents that has built the corpus of Christian Ethics. In Nicomachean Ethics Aristotle stresses one concept over and over and over. The concept is one of moderation. Aristotle found very little truth or goodness on the edges, but virtually always in the middle.<br /><br />I tend to reason my way to decisions. I have to determine if I will listen to some fool who calls me roadkill, or someone whose wisdom is timeless. For me, the answer is easy.John Manzohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12423889020601584412noreply@blogger.com